Bright Idea or Blinding Nuisance - Article in the star(wheel) today

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Somthing to share with everyone. this article was found in "The Star" under "Wheel" section page 18 starmag. dated today Sunday 21st August 2005.


A GROWING of premium cars are being fitted with Xenon High-intensity discharge (HID) lighting systems that are three times brighter than conventional halogen bulbs. But some oncoming motorist and pedestrians facing this powerful glare are seeing red.

Complaints are mounting that the bluish-white HID headlights blind motorist on the receiving end and that they are a safety risk.

But are these lamps always responsible for the blinding effect?

HID headlights are describe by the manufacturer as having an enormous advantage over conventional light in that they are at least two to three times brighter and last ten times longer while using less energy at the same time.

A mojor safety feature of the HID lamps is that they light up that side of the road where pedestrian, cyclist or motocyclist are mostly situated, according to the manufacturers.

The problems appears to stem mainly from internet shops selling cheap "Xenon" lighting kits. Prices range from anything between RM230 to RM1000

But beware! most of these sets don't conform to regulations because they can blind oncoming traffic up to 100 times above the permissible level, as if normal lights were constantly switch on bright.

"Selling them for vehicles not build for them is criminal. It's fraud," says the lighting expert of the German automobile association ADAC, Helmut Schmaler. "Xenon lighting needs expert adjustment for it to be effective".

In Europe, regulation require a cleaning and automatic distance control mechanism for HID lighting to minimise blinding of oncoming traffic. That means that the cost of installing Xenon HID lighting in older cars can cost anything above 1,500 euros (RM7,000)

The US National Highway Traffic safety Administration (NHTSA) is also looking into complaints and expected to announce new standards for HID lighting this year.
American motorist as being especially ired by the glare resulting from high-mounted HID headlights on sports utility vehicles (SUVs)

HID lights are also said to "Flash" oncoming traffic when travelling over bumpy or uneven roads.
Schmaler says this "flash" effect is quite possible with American vehicles because they have softer suspension systems.

But blinding is far more common, he adds, with vehicles fitted with normal halogen lamps which have a very narrow light exit.

the ADAC researchers have also found a difference between a "psychologically felt" blinding effect and real blinding.
The Xenon HID lighiting, if correctly adjusted and installed, was found to have more blinding effect than other lighting systems.

Motorist are advised, therefore to "keep their eyes glued to your side of the road" and not to stare into oncoming light. The interior mirroe should also be adjusted for night driving to avoid blinding from rear traffic. -dpa
 
Blinding Nuisance to me.

I din wanna install HID because i know that altho it may look nice to me or on my car, people will find it dem irritating when i am behind them. So i decided not to.
 
not only behind them bro... i really hate those cars with HID.. when the car driving from the opposite direction.. it really can blind ur eyes on seeing the cars n road in front of u..
 
Personally, i think HID lights are pretty good upgrades but ONLY if installed by the relevant people. I've been driving in front of various HID fitted cars and most of the time, beamers and merc don't give much problem but the blinding ones are those inside wira, waja, kancil, kenari and etc. The problem is, everyone wants their car to look cool at the expense of using china made HID that is nothing more than a fluoroscent tube thats blaring away. This added with cheap installation at places like Brothers/Cosplus definitely is a public nuisance.

Its just like GT Wings. If a good expensive one is fitted, it makes your car look good. But when you install those cheapo ones that look more like iron grill, it makes you look stupid. The same can be said about undercarriage neon lights. I always see those US cars have nice mods with these so called "ah beng" accessories but it somehow always looked better in their cars rather than our cars. Maybe because these Ah Bengs use immitation parts.
 
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all i can say is.. HID is here to stay... jes look away with on-coming traffic which has HIDs... once u've converted to HID.. u wont turn back...
 
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The author of the aticle dosen't seem to make a distinction between stock and aftermarket HIDs, rather he is critisising the whole technology. Note how the German guy promotes OEM HIDs but criticises aftermarket ones, but later the author mentions the problem with American SUVs which also have HID lights stock from the factory.
 
Got 1 very curious Q to ask. Why some vehicle goes over some bumpy road their light beam will flicker ah ? Not the lights wanna die off like that. its like the light beam jumping ? Why ah ?

izit the bulb not fixed properly or the head light loose ?
 
the problem isn't with HiD, its with improper calibration, which applies to normal halogens. all these bloody idiots want good looks but no money to do it properly.
 
prodigy said:
Personally, i think HID lights are pretty good upgrades but ONLY if installed by the relevant people. I've been driving in front of various HID fitted cars and most of the time, beamers and merc don't give much problem but the blinding ones are those inside wira, waja, kancil, kenari and etc. The problem is, everyone wants their car to look cool at the expense of using china made HID that is nothing more than a fluoroscent tube thats blaring away. This added with cheap installation at places like Brothers/Cosplus definitely is a public nuisance.

Its just like GT Wings. If a good expensive one is fitted, it makes your car look good. But when you install those cheapo ones that look more like iron grill, it makes you look stupid. The same can be said about undercarriage neon lights. I always see those US cars have nice mods with these so called "ah beng" accessories but it somehow always looked better in their cars rather than our cars. Maybe because these Ah Bengs use immitation parts.

guess u may have got that right.. At least an explanation that's general and logical enuff to accept. Not just mindless bitching.. :wink:
 
Mandrake said:
The author of the aticle dosen't seem to make a distinction between stock and aftermarket HIDs, rather he is critisising the whole technology. Note how the German guy promotes OEM HIDs but criticises aftermarket ones, but later the author mentions the problem with American SUVs which also have HID lights stock from the factory.

you fail to take into context what the author is trying to say. What Helmut Schmaler said, OEM like hid's are good (context: since the units are installed in factory and set by technical personnel) aftermarket=no good (context: installed by untrainned personnel)

US National Highway Traffic safety Administration (NHTSA) says it has received complaints.
Taken into context of article as a whole not broken into bits then regurgitated like you have.

I'm pro hid and as Blackhowling has summed it up - HID's are here to stay.
 
In my opinion HID's are a good investment since its brighter, lasts longer than conventional bulbs, and best of all its consumes less power. I notice some cars with HID always have their headlights adjusted too high. A few hours ago while I was driving there was a particular red Honda Jazz behind me with greenish white HID. The prick made a lot of people pissed off because his lights were adjusted really high until the light reflection blinded the driver of the car in front of him.
 
slipknot, i think it's because the position of jazz headlamp is high compare with sedan. guess the same result, that fella just do installation without doing calibration.
 
i think the biggest issue is that the prick doesn't know that his lights are not calibrated. i doubt he wants to piss people off.
 
Ignorance is not a good enough excuse to be a prick.

HIDs on big, tall cars like SUVs and MPVs are a pain in the ass as well.
 
Do you think those voltz stabiliers selling in those shop help in increasing the power of halogen bulbs?. is it worth the buy?.
 
TitanRev said:
Got 1 very curious Q to ask. Why some vehicle goes over some bumpy road their light beam will flicker ah ? Not the lights wanna die off like that. its like the light beam jumping ? Why ah ?

izit the bulb not fixed properly or the head light loose ?


Eh....can someone answer my Q ? Please.....no one seems want to layan me wan..:frown:
 

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